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		<title>By: BWhitt</title>
		<link>http://gashousegraphs.com/2011/07/27/winning-now-probably-not-later/#comment-840</link>
		<dc:creator>BWhitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I noticed those comments, Andy.  I thought they conveyed Colby as someone that was hard to understand, but not hard to like.  Moreover, Skip stated explicitly that Colby was not a clubhouse problem.  Absolutely no one came to the defense of Boog after he was traded, certainly a different reaction.

For me, that makes the trade even more problematic.  I would prefer that we still have Boog; however, if the clubhouse voiced clear dislike of his attitude/actions and it was made apparent he was a problem, then I can see justification for a move.  I just fail to understand why Colby &quot;had&quot; to go, other than Tony wanted Jackson and bullpen help (specifically a LOOGY R-whatever &amp; McCllellan&#039;s ability to tame lefty&#039;s) to manage late-game situations as he prefers to do.  

Mo has defended the move stating that he feared Colby&#039;s value would erode over the remainder of the year.  However, national pundits have cited numerous reports from unnamed executives who stated how surprised they are in the return the Cards received and expressed the belief the Cards could have received more. I think Ken Rosenthal&#039;s quote sums it up nicely,  &quot;Well, I&#039;ve finally identified the most difficult-to-find commodity in baseball. Not a catcher. Not a shortstop. Not a third baseman. Someone who likes the Cardinals&#039; return for outfielder Colby Rasmus&quot;.

I fear Mo has shown an inability to shrewdly negotiate trades and is forced to acquiesce to the demands of the Manager, whom for the past few years has worked on a year-to-year basis.  Although I had come to belief that Colby would probably need to traded, instead of ensuring maximum return on our value, we ensured moving him as quickly as possible, once management panicked under a false mandate that Colby had to be traded.

Finally, this trade could reek of last year&#039;s Ludwick move if Berkman and Jay don&#039;t maintain current levels of performance throughout the season.  If either were to drop off, not only could the team be worse in the future, it could possibly be worse this season.

Yuck.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed those comments, Andy.  I thought they conveyed Colby as someone that was hard to understand, but not hard to like.  Moreover, Skip stated explicitly that Colby was not a clubhouse problem.  Absolutely no one came to the defense of Boog after he was traded, certainly a different reaction.</p>
<p>For me, that makes the trade even more problematic.  I would prefer that we still have Boog; however, if the clubhouse voiced clear dislike of his attitude/actions and it was made apparent he was a problem, then I can see justification for a move.  I just fail to understand why Colby &#8220;had&#8221; to go, other than Tony wanted Jackson and bullpen help (specifically a LOOGY R-whatever &amp; McCllellan&#8217;s ability to tame lefty&#8217;s) to manage late-game situations as he prefers to do.  </p>
<p>Mo has defended the move stating that he feared Colby&#8217;s value would erode over the remainder of the year.  However, national pundits have cited numerous reports from unnamed executives who stated how surprised they are in the return the Cards received and expressed the belief the Cards could have received more. I think Ken Rosenthal&#8217;s quote sums it up nicely,  &#8220;Well, I&#8217;ve finally identified the most difficult-to-find commodity in baseball. Not a catcher. Not a shortstop. Not a third baseman. Someone who likes the Cardinals&#8217; return for outfielder Colby Rasmus&#8221;.</p>
<p>I fear Mo has shown an inability to shrewdly negotiate trades and is forced to acquiesce to the demands of the Manager, whom for the past few years has worked on a year-to-year basis.  Although I had come to belief that Colby would probably need to traded, instead of ensuring maximum return on our value, we ensured moving him as quickly as possible, once management panicked under a false mandate that Colby had to be traded.</p>
<p>Finally, this trade could reek of last year&#8217;s Ludwick move if Berkman and Jay don&#8217;t maintain current levels of performance throughout the season.  If either were to drop off, not only could the team be worse in the future, it could possibly be worse this season.</p>
<p>Yuck.</p>
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		<title>By: Cardinal70</title>
		<link>http://gashousegraphs.com/2011/07/27/winning-now-probably-not-later/#comment-839</link>
		<dc:creator>Cardinal70</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, sorry.  Mental lapse!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, sorry.  Mental lapse!</p>
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		<title>By: JaysFan</title>
		<link>http://gashousegraphs.com/2011/07/27/winning-now-probably-not-later/#comment-838</link>
		<dc:creator>JaysFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;ll take good care of him, don&#039;t worry :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ll take good care of him, don&#8217;t worry <img src='http://gashousegraphs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beard</title>
		<link>http://gashousegraphs.com/2011/07/27/winning-now-probably-not-later/#comment-837</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be fair, some do believe that Rzepcqzynski has future value as a starting pitcher. I was just hopeful that the cost-controlled value in return would have a little more upside.

As far as the players go, they had some pretty positive things to say about Colby in D-Goold&#039;s story this morning at STL-Today. Pujols made some especially flattering remarks about the career he expects Colby to have... and David Freese talked about how Colby helped him make the transition into the big leagues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, some do believe that Rzepcqzynski has future value as a starting pitcher. I was just hopeful that the cost-controlled value in return would have a little more upside.</p>
<p>As far as the players go, they had some pretty positive things to say about Colby in D-Goold&#8217;s story this morning at STL-Today. Pujols made some especially flattering remarks about the career he expects Colby to have&#8230; and David Freese talked about how Colby helped him make the transition into the big leagues.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beard</title>
		<link>http://gashousegraphs.com/2011/07/27/winning-now-probably-not-later/#comment-836</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I hope you enjoy Colby in Toronto. Looks to be an exciting team Anthopoulos is building up there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I hope you enjoy Colby in Toronto. Looks to be an exciting team Anthopoulos is building up there.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beard</title>
		<link>http://gashousegraphs.com/2011/07/27/winning-now-probably-not-later/#comment-835</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope you&#039;re right. Would you mind clarifying who you mean by Cueto? I&#039;m assuming Cleto.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you&#8217;re right. Would you mind clarifying who you mean by Cueto? I&#8217;m assuming Cleto.</p>
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		<title>By: I like soccer more</title>
		<link>http://gashousegraphs.com/2011/07/27/winning-now-probably-not-later/#comment-834</link>
		<dc:creator>I like soccer more</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 04:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Enjoyed reading a post I mostly understood. Also, nice use of &quot;ouchy&quot;. Ha.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyed reading a post I mostly understood. Also, nice use of &#8220;ouchy&#8221;. Ha.</p>
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		<title>By: BWhitt</title>
		<link>http://gashousegraphs.com/2011/07/27/winning-now-probably-not-later/#comment-833</link>
		<dc:creator>BWhitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 03:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In Mo&#039;s defense, he did secure cost-controlled talent.  I think we all thought he was referring to more than a cost-controlled LOOGY, however.  

While there are many parallels between Rasmus / Ryan and their tumultuous relationship with Tony, player quotes after the Ryan trade indicated that the players wanted Ryan to be traded, not just the manager (credit to Bernie, who discussed this on his radio show today).  While Colby clearly wasn&#039;t a team leader, I wonder if there was player sentiment for him to be moved such as there appeared to be for Ryan.

Nonetheless, we traded Colby to appease TLR&#039;s desired personnel for a playoff run, and got about 50 cents on the dollar, as a result.  Anthopoulos is really making a name for himself between this and convincing the Angels to take on Vernon Wells.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Mo&#8217;s defense, he did secure cost-controlled talent.  I think we all thought he was referring to more than a cost-controlled LOOGY, however.  </p>
<p>While there are many parallels between Rasmus / Ryan and their tumultuous relationship with Tony, player quotes after the Ryan trade indicated that the players wanted Ryan to be traded, not just the manager (credit to Bernie, who discussed this on his radio show today).  While Colby clearly wasn&#8217;t a team leader, I wonder if there was player sentiment for him to be moved such as there appeared to be for Ryan.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, we traded Colby to appease TLR&#8217;s desired personnel for a playoff run, and got about 50 cents on the dollar, as a result.  Anthopoulos is really making a name for himself between this and convincing the Angels to take on Vernon Wells.</p>
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		<title>By: JaysFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>JaysFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 03:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a Jays fan Dotel could be great for the Cards. He&#039;s completely shut down against righties, but should never face a lefty. Not even a little league lefty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Jays fan Dotel could be great for the Cards. He&#8217;s completely shut down against righties, but should never face a lefty. Not even a little league lefty.</p>
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		<title>By: Cardinal70</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cardinal70</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 02:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t think much of it at the time, but the more I ponder this, the more I&#039;m convinced there is at least one prospect on that PTBNL list that Mo really wants.  That&#039;s about the only reason you&#039;d go with Toronto instead of getting Neimann/Howell from Tampa Bay.  Mo&#039;s done a pretty decent job with getting prospects like that (Freese mainly, though Cueto still has some potential) so maybe that will help salvage this.

Other than that, though, I completely agree with all you&#039;ve got here!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t think much of it at the time, but the more I ponder this, the more I&#8217;m convinced there is at least one prospect on that PTBNL list that Mo really wants.  That&#8217;s about the only reason you&#8217;d go with Toronto instead of getting Neimann/Howell from Tampa Bay.  Mo&#8217;s done a pretty decent job with getting prospects like that (Freese mainly, though Cueto still has some potential) so maybe that will help salvage this.</p>
<p>Other than that, though, I completely agree with all you&#8217;ve got here!</p>
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